15 Jul 2017, 02:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 15 Jul 2017, 02:15 AM by Miki_chan456.)
Hello Brycen,
I am no longer staff on Aliquam due to outside obligations that keep me busy but I am still very much active in seeing what goes on this server and its forums. Your proposal has been discussed over many years here on Aliquam, at least since I joined and became staff in June of 2015, and have never in the slightest been positive in adding such an NSFW chat.
Now, moving onto what you want to be allowed on such chat and I quote, “Propagating communism, fascism, racism, sexism, nationalism or any other controversial ideologies. You are allowed to propagate nationalism and sexism and controversial ideologies. AND Being mean. You are allowed to swear, be mean and abuse another player(s) verbally (To an extent).”, and while I understand that the freedom of speech will be brought out in this conversation here are the limitations of that part in the United States Bill of Rights and other documents pertaining to the “Freedom of Speech”. Freedom of speech does not include the right: To incite actions that would harm others - Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919), To make or distribute obscene materials - Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957)." [Citation: http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-co.../what-does]. There are basic categories to know that aren’t protected by the First Amendment and they are:
• Obscenity
• Fighting words
• Defamation (including libel and slander)
• Child pornography
• Perjury
• Blackmail
• Incitement to imminent lawless action
• True threats
• Solicitations to commit crimes
[Citation: http://www.newseuminstitute.org/about/fa...amendment/]
These categories, though vague, cover a spectrum of offenses that can infringe on another person’s Inalienable Rights - Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.
Now how this affects people outside the United States: The United Nations has established a Universal Declaration of Human Rights which like the title suggests talks about the human rights of the world and not just one country itself. This document says: “Article 1 - All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood… Article 3 - Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person…Article 5 - No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment…” and you can go on to read about it here - http://www.un.org/en/universal-declarati...an-rights/
So now to address how this all pertains to your proposal: A – Propagating and Sexism. One has to deal with the current rules of the server while the other one is seen as discrimination in one form or another. Propagating Nationalism can also infringe on ones right when it becomes threatening and when you don’t have enough staff it is very hard to moderate, thus an issue that is futile when asking for such freedoms in a whole separate chat. On to Sexism, the verbal even a mention of sexism already infringes on the rights of the population in the world and completely disregards to the many laws against it. Nowhere on public Minecraft servers will you find such items of discussion due to the nature of most servers serving CHILDREN and TEENAGERS who are of course under the legal age in a majority of countries.
Next item: B – Being Mean. Obviously, just the mention of being mean to players online really brings the topic of inalienable rights, safety, and protecting the well-being of those whom cannot defend themselves in such situations AKA BULLYING. This just opens a wide door for ganging up on people whether in public or private chat which IS AGAINST THE LAW in most states in the United States, http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-cha...lying.html.
C – Blacklisting. While this is a good idea for an automated system at the current man power of Aliquam this would only bog down staff and keep them from actually helping people on the server due to the time-consuming nature such a list would take.
Another reasoning for my stance (being a big NO) how do we verify the ages of players; we don’t have access to birth dates from Minecraft nor is it our right to have that information to confirm identities. How do we know if someone is lying about being older? It’s an issue that cannot be dealt with in a MINECRAFT SERVER.
Minecraft is a game for all ages but mainly targeted for kids under 15 and due to the servers strive to stay family friendly an NSFW part of it would just defeat that purpose.
If you really wish to have an NSFW chat make your own private server and have all the freedom in the world do all that you want on it. Aliquam has had a stance as such for a while and I am sure they agree with the contents of my reply due to legality and other instances that this matter will bring up if EVER implemented.
Thanks,
Miki_chan456
Former Aliquam Staff
Friend of Aliquam
I am no longer staff on Aliquam due to outside obligations that keep me busy but I am still very much active in seeing what goes on this server and its forums. Your proposal has been discussed over many years here on Aliquam, at least since I joined and became staff in June of 2015, and have never in the slightest been positive in adding such an NSFW chat.
Now, moving onto what you want to be allowed on such chat and I quote, “Propagating communism, fascism, racism, sexism, nationalism or any other controversial ideologies. You are allowed to propagate nationalism and sexism and controversial ideologies. AND Being mean. You are allowed to swear, be mean and abuse another player(s) verbally (To an extent).”, and while I understand that the freedom of speech will be brought out in this conversation here are the limitations of that part in the United States Bill of Rights and other documents pertaining to the “Freedom of Speech”. Freedom of speech does not include the right: To incite actions that would harm others - Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919), To make or distribute obscene materials - Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957)." [Citation: http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-co.../what-does]. There are basic categories to know that aren’t protected by the First Amendment and they are:
• Obscenity
• Fighting words
• Defamation (including libel and slander)
• Child pornography
• Perjury
• Blackmail
• Incitement to imminent lawless action
• True threats
• Solicitations to commit crimes
[Citation: http://www.newseuminstitute.org/about/fa...amendment/]
These categories, though vague, cover a spectrum of offenses that can infringe on another person’s Inalienable Rights - Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.
Now how this affects people outside the United States: The United Nations has established a Universal Declaration of Human Rights which like the title suggests talks about the human rights of the world and not just one country itself. This document says: “Article 1 - All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood… Article 3 - Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person…Article 5 - No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment…” and you can go on to read about it here - http://www.un.org/en/universal-declarati...an-rights/
So now to address how this all pertains to your proposal: A – Propagating and Sexism. One has to deal with the current rules of the server while the other one is seen as discrimination in one form or another. Propagating Nationalism can also infringe on ones right when it becomes threatening and when you don’t have enough staff it is very hard to moderate, thus an issue that is futile when asking for such freedoms in a whole separate chat. On to Sexism, the verbal even a mention of sexism already infringes on the rights of the population in the world and completely disregards to the many laws against it. Nowhere on public Minecraft servers will you find such items of discussion due to the nature of most servers serving CHILDREN and TEENAGERS who are of course under the legal age in a majority of countries.
Next item: B – Being Mean. Obviously, just the mention of being mean to players online really brings the topic of inalienable rights, safety, and protecting the well-being of those whom cannot defend themselves in such situations AKA BULLYING. This just opens a wide door for ganging up on people whether in public or private chat which IS AGAINST THE LAW in most states in the United States, http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-cha...lying.html.
C – Blacklisting. While this is a good idea for an automated system at the current man power of Aliquam this would only bog down staff and keep them from actually helping people on the server due to the time-consuming nature such a list would take.
Another reasoning for my stance (being a big NO) how do we verify the ages of players; we don’t have access to birth dates from Minecraft nor is it our right to have that information to confirm identities. How do we know if someone is lying about being older? It’s an issue that cannot be dealt with in a MINECRAFT SERVER.
Minecraft is a game for all ages but mainly targeted for kids under 15 and due to the servers strive to stay family friendly an NSFW part of it would just defeat that purpose.
If you really wish to have an NSFW chat make your own private server and have all the freedom in the world do all that you want on it. Aliquam has had a stance as such for a while and I am sure they agree with the contents of my reply due to legality and other instances that this matter will bring up if EVER implemented.
Thanks,
Miki_chan456
Former Aliquam Staff
Friend of Aliquam